Comments on You work for me, Computer: ORMs and Declarative Schemas

Have you ever considered something else than djang...

2010-09-13T09:38:53.976-07:00

Have you ever considered something else than django? Like pylons or repoze.bfg?
Django is really not so good solution for more complicated tasks if you want to work efficiently.

I agree I'd rather go schema first than model ...

2009-10-29T13:30:12.051-07:00

I agree I'd rather go schema first than model first. As a side note though it's interesting to think about it in the context of the whole NOSQL mouvement that's been gaining a lot of traction over the last year. Facebook, LinkedIn or Amazon for some subset of its data and others are doing away with the relational stores and going with pure key/value pairs persistence.

Not relevant for every application but very interesting nonetheless.

@Martin: The "original target use" argum...

2009-10-07T14:17:32.421-07:00

@Martin: The "original target use" argument is no longer relevant. Django is being pushed as a general purpose web framework for developing sites or apps, big and small.

@Ezequiel: I'm not building something Twitter big. I'm building something that has to deal with real user data and survive real design evolution. The problems I describe affect any application with any longevity of any kind.

I agree with Martin, Jacob Kaplan-Moss himself sai...

2009-10-07T12:37:59.175-07:00

I agree with Martin, Jacob Kaplan-Moss himself said that, when you get to a point where you're building something really big (e.g. Twitter) you basically have to throw your framework away.

Django is really good, but, like any technolgy, sometimes is not enough.

These are all good points, and largely irrelevant ...

2009-10-07T11:28:16.937-07:00

These are all good points, and largely irrelevant for someone developing to Django. Yes, if you are using Django to develop to a long-term data store, enterprise data, etc., you are dead right, and you should be using SQLAlchemy with Django instead of the Django ORM.

However, consider Django's original target use: a newspaper, on the cutting edge, putting up quick apps on-the-fly with a very short development cycle. A CMS. A Polling app. A Blog. Think about the type of apps that people actually build with Django, and you will find that the Django ORM makes perfect sense. Short development cycle. Easy deployment. "Good enough" query optimizations.